Browsers as hypertext with hackable presentation and interpreter. Emacs as text editor with hackable presentation and interpreter. It's still no OS. > Emacs is an editor extensible in Lisp. I wonder if you can even understand the willpower it took to resist the temptation to ninja-edit your post. In a .emacs, there is not only the system-type, but also the window-system variable. Consider their main competitor: VS code. Emacs is an environment that gives you so many things in a coherent, (eventually) familiar and consistent way.  http://emacs.1067599.n5.nabble.com/An-Emacs-plug-in-for-a-br... http://tkf.github.io/2013/06/04/Emacs-is-dead.html. Nothing more. That's what CEDET is, basically, I couldn't bear using it. It doesn't support GUI development. One of the main things I wondered about Emacs is if it could be used as a Microsoft Word/Libre Writer replacement? In those days, having three or four Emacs buffers where one could have a couple of files being edited, a shell session, and the output of the compiler was considered a blessing. Both this and problems like LukeShu mentioned. I would like to to try Emacs, and want to give it the best chance possible. That we deem their, "So for someone who is writing office document, Microsoft Word is the OS?". That was a golden opportunity to make the joke in a completely natural way. wmii has vim keybindings too. I guess that currently Emacs’s GTK version has the nicest GUI of them all, but it would good of the Windows and OS X port got some more love. Sure, it's not the same as emacs OS, but it does feel like at least vim-keys-everywhere. A Lisp OS (like Genera) is about extensibility down toward bare metal, not up towards applications. Extendible through the built in Lisp, or using libraries, extensible using Python scripts (and others, I imagine), My boyfriend tends to try out emacs from time to time (we're both vim-ers) and he went through the most ridiculious list of things you can actually do with emacs.Make coffee.Like.. seriously. Emacs is: A pretty good operating system, but it could use a better text editor. Other languages had few basic transformation (scoped rename, variable lift, ...). Below we have compiled 15 useful text editors and their installation details for your productivity. Last edited by alezost (2013-12-12 10:03:27). When you're using zenirc and Gnus all day as well as editing, network issues also block emacs. Emacs becomes non-responsive in such cases. However, because Emacs OS will always be running in the Emacs VM, we can optimize it by having the Emacs VM include processor features mapping the native OS, and have the Emacs OS be aware of them. Um, no. The same is true when I hit a "." It is not a window manager or operating system. A pretty good operating system, but it could use a better text editor. Users love Emacs because it features efficient commands for common but complex actions and for the plugins and configuration hacks that have developed around it for nearly 40 years. People often say about Emacs "sure it's a great operating system, but it lacks a good editor" so I decided to call my configuration "EOS" for the Emacs Operating System. If there’s a task humans can do with computers, you can probably do it in Emacs, on almost every operating system or computer. http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/3769989/Symbolics_Open_Genera... And before someone cranks one of these up and nit-picks some functionality GNU Emacs has that this doesn't, do try and remember that serious development of Genera for all practical purposes ended before Stallman released the first public release of GNU Emacs. It's not - it actually was done. "Well I guess while you're writing this you aren't … Each entry is added by entering a simple key combo and then searching for the reference in my BibTeX file (which can be done by author, title, etc, so it's easy). Spent the first week or so setting emacs up more or less with the same features and shortcuts I got used to in my customized vim environment and haven't looked back. This sort of setup is exactly what makes me, a Vim user, think I may have made a mistake by not picking up Emacs instead. Is it different now ? Hex editor. > Those of us who actually used Genera on a Symbolics Lisp Machine really, really hope that anyone who contemplates this sets their sights a helluva lot higher than GNU Emacs. Fully integrated with version management systems (git, hg). Martin Fowler commented on the reprogramability of Emacs, a key feature of the LispMachine Keyboard. As much as I love Emacs, in my opinion it isn't the right tool for an operating system because it isn't mainstream. On the other hand, if we start from a more formal stance, then it looks less like one. That won't happen with Emacs though, since it's too big a leap in philosophy. AutoLisp has no macros. Unfortunately as far as I can tell it's no longer possible to compile recent Emacs versions statically. The "assembly language" of these was Lisp primitives and once the microcode loaded, it was all lisp from there. The lack of multi-threading is #1 on his list, and it seems to me for good reason. I appreciate ewaller's helpfulness and you not ninja editing his post. An everyday OS will be able to run programs like MS Word, PowerPoint, Excel, etc. It's not a particularly powerful OS, it not a multi-tasking system. The popular packages are properly described as "GNU/Linux." Other nice things: email/news readers, IRC, TRAMP (as described by ewaller above), built in ANSI terminal emulator, a shell implemented entirely in emacs-lisp (you can do all sorts of crazy things with that), interactive database front-ends, BBDB (address book). Has anyone used Vile? Setting up an Emacs environment which is on par with other IDEs takes a bit of work, but is possible. No other organizational system has done that for me. It has shells, mail clients (MUAs and MSAs), web browsers, web servers and more, all written entirely in Emacs Lisp. It is unrelated to Helm System Packages but both work well together. Privileges What people are saying "Kind of taking that whole "Emacs is an operating system" thing a bit too far, aren't we?" So technically, it is an OS... Arch + dwm • Mercurial repos • Surfraw. it has more functionality than a chromebook.  http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_mono/eshell.ht...  http://www.masteringemacs.org/articles/2010/12/13/complete-g... My father has difficulty seeing, and spends most of his computer time within Emacs, occasionally switching to Gnome (for certain websites) or a speech enabled console. Not every Lisp program which can send mail is an operating system. My Arch Linux Stuff • Forum Etiquette • Community Ethos - Arch is not for everyone, In this situation I can see the humor in misinformation but knowing me I would have spent weeks trying to learn/configure emacs to be my new operation system only to find out it was a joke. Talks to the graphics card. I just think it would have been hilarious to actually use that line. Please, not every shitty Lisp interpreter which can print to the screen and take user input is an operating system. Anyway, I guess I would say Emacs does do one thing and it does it well: it's a text-buffer widget for a Lisp interpreter. The rest of the "OS" moniker referred to things such as email and NNTP clients written in Elisp. On a Symbolics (and TI Explorer, LMI, Xerox D-machine, etc), there is no Unix-ish "asm layer" communicating that last inch to the bare metal. Emacs is used as an operating system (interface), by blind users! I think evil mode in emacs is probably the best bet. Pretty pictures aside, how much more or less of an OS is Emacs than Chrome, and if different, in what fundamental ways? This is useful when you want to choose between some x only option, or a terminal, or macos setting. Here's how to find out what operating system emacs is running on. Emacs as an OperatingSystem is, in fact, a common joke Emacs is a great operating system, it just doesn't have a good editor. I think those people would have fainted at the thought of some of the Java IDE's these days. Emacs uses a system of files, buffers, and frames. http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-user/2013-02/msg0013... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_machine. I've ranted against it here before I think (briefly, in that rants are generally frowned upon in these parts). Last edited by ewaller (2013-12-12 05:14:31). "At last we have solved the init controversy." Last edited by ewaller (2013-12-12 05:21:39). When I write Erlang and I hit ":" after a module name, I immediately see a list of functions with arity and docs, thanks to Distel. Re: conkeror, I keep hoping the lazy web will take Shane Celis's emacsy and webkit proof of concept and make a scheme-based emacs-like browser. If I don't like a software/operating system/language/whatever, I just don't use it, and at the same time I'm not scared to test alternatives, even though I'm not actively looking to replace tools that work. I can just open and edit a file on my home box by providing a path to the file on that machine (including the full domain of that machine). It applies to both of you. Emacs /ˈiːmæks/ or EMACS is a family of text editors that are characterized by their extensibility. It is that each model has orthogonal metrics. It was really possible to start the day in Emacs and never leave, and I saw some people do it, although it was never quite my cup of tea. Each entry contains clickable/openable links to the PDF file and to its entry in a BibTeX file as well as the full bibliographical data, allowing me to, say, pull up all of my notes on all articles written by some author that contain a given word in the title and have been assigned some tags of my choosing. It seems nobody is using that though. Emacs as default init, shell, window manager and "desktop" environment. Forget the Linux desktop, it’s time for the Emacs desktop For a guy who uses Vim as his primary editor, switching to opposition – even temporarily – is not really an appealing prospect. It may be necessaryto do `unset TERMINFO' (C-shell: `unsetenv TERMINFO') as well.$. Considering that you can't even write an OS kernel in pure C (Linux has a lot of inline asm IIRC), writing one in Lisp seems like a fairly unrealistic, slightly weird dream. No, it really isn't. People joke that Emacs is an operating system (without a good editor), but it's not really a joke. Now I see: great grandparent's "emacs buffer locks up" refers to the (multi-threaded) way he (and probably you) wish Emacs worked, not the way it actually works. user-emacs-directory → init file dir. All three have their advantages and disadvantages. Network card. The Lisp part of Emacs is the operating system that runs on that emulated hardware. Lack of that feature doesn't make it not an OS. Or csharp-mode would hang when editing around preprocessor directives. I think your definition attempt renders the term Operating System useless. > writing one OS in Lisp seems like a fairly unrealistic, slightly weird dream. That's a nice thing in some ways, but my guess is that when you try and edit, say, Erlang or something else, those big IDE's are just going to sputter and flail because they're outside their comfort zone. I don't think they're calling for reimplementing the e1000e network card driver in elisp as much as commenting out a getty on /dev/ttyWhatever and replacing it with a screen/tmux connection to an emacs session or a zillion other ways. Emacs as an OperatingSystem is, in fact, a common joke Emacs is a great operating system, it just doesn't have a good editor. It may be on the way, at least org-mode can export to odt. including running one of your favorite video games. Re: (Score: 2) ... Back in the 80s, when personal computers were rather limited, I had an Atari ST. for configuring programming WM i use (StumpWM) on the fly (with SLIME). The entire Slax operating system resides in a single directory/Slax/ on your device, making it easier to organize with your other data. And if there is something like that, and it's useful, then I'm sure it will come to Emacs soon enough. Find Operating System Type. To your first point, that depends on your target architecture. It encourages me to lay out ideas from the perspective of comprehension and figure out how to plan doing it later. Emacs is an environment that gives you so many things in a coherent, (eventually) familiar and consistent way. Share. The user interface has not changed much in those 30 years either. Development of the first Emacs began in the mid-1970s, and work on its direct descendant, GNU Emacs, continues actively as of 2020. Technically these guys are all talking about emacs as a CLI not as an OS. system-name → returns the host name. Runs on Intel and talks to the hardware. EMACSBOOK: "All the power of 1976 in the palm of your hand! Interesting, I thought it might be pretty hard to do some things efficiently without inline asm. So for someone who is writing office document, Microsoft Word is the OS? Hokay, reminds me of the paper-clip in MS Word... Not creepy at all. It is a joke. Recursive acronym for: Emacs Makes A$$ Crack Seemingly-Good; Erroneous misuse of acronyms crashes systems Those of us who actually used Genera on a Symbolics Lisp Machine really, really hope that anyone who contemplates this sets their sights a helluva lot higher than GNU Emacs. Emacs supports CVS, Subversion, bzr, git, hg, and other systems, but it offers a uniform interface, called VC, regardless of the version control system you are using. And he just added that it has a built-in psychological therapist. Emacs also has a clear and logical design, and allows you redefine almost anything you don't like. This should only affect the buffer with the code being indented. The major difference seems to be that those Java IDE's hook directly into the compiler, so they "know about" the language's syntax and libraries in a way that Emacs likely never will. Autocad is also no Lisp OS. Its editor is based on unusual keystrokes with help that has uncommon terminology. With dynamic languages the ability to run REPL inside an editor is also a huge plus. While it refers to vi as the "editor of the beast" (vi-vi-vi being 6-6-6 in Roman numerals), it does not oppose the use of vi; rather, it calls proprietary software anathema. Now if only Emacs as an OS had a good editor. Now I have Conkeror taking up the other half and Alt-Tab between the two and I can do most things without touching the mouse. ("Using a free version of vi is not a sin but a penance." Still no OS. user-login-name → returns user login name. Eh, the Unix principle is overrated. go-mode (at least used to) have a bug in the auto-indent code that would occasionally throw it into an infinite loop. 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